reportedly was a flight from amsterdam to kuala lumpur. not know why it crashed, if this does turn out to be the case, but again, what we know is that geography which you're looking at right now and the fact that it was a malaysian airlines jet which again raises so many questions in and of itself. mary, i want to go back to something you were telling me before, based on this geography f we know the plane took off from amsterdam, and then went down for whatever reason in eastern ukraine near the russian border, it would be flying at cruise altitude, that means above 30,000 feet. what else do we know about what might have been going on at this time of the flight? >> well, one of the things that pilots are trained to do is, for example, if it was a situation where military aircraft had spotted it, ordinarily they ask for a confirmation, attempt to communicate with the plane, even in kaol where the russians shot down a while back, and north korea took down one or two also, but when they do that they said they did attempt to communicate. now t

let's go to amsterdam and join clive. >> reporter: hello from amsterdam. this is a nation in mourning. so many of those that died, at least two-thirds on board were dutch nationals. we believe some of the relatives of those that died are here today. they're a waiting word to board a special flight to kiev to possibly identify their loved ones, to find out exactly what happened in this tragedy. tributes have been laid by the side of the main terminal here. this is an airport that's one of the busiest in europe as a hub for international air travel. yesterday began as a normal day with hundreds of passengers and flights. it ended as an unusual day and circumstances still in mystery. here and around the world, there are numerous questions asked to why the plane was flying over the active war zone in eastern ukraine and who exactly was responsible for bringing it down. it could be the flight box recorders in that debris once discovered provide some of the answers to some of those questions. let's get the latest now. >> the moment flight mh 17 burst into flames

now with the plane on route from amsterdam to kuala lumpur was flying over the part of eastern ukraine where kiev continues to carry out its heavy military crackdown against anti-government forces it was then that it disappeared from radar shortly before it was due to enter a russian air space the ukrainian president petro poroshenko accused antigovernment fighters of downing the plane with a rocket calling the incident a terrorist attack but militia groups deny this saying they don't have any access to weapons capable of taking out a plane at the altitude this one was flying at a local activist say they have found the flight recorders amid the wreckage. the international has correspondents all around the world and from the spanish our correspondent francisco guyton at the scene of the crash right now with this report . the situation in this kilometer that is around is that you can see several pieces of the aircraft and also several bodies that the situation is really complicated and it's a tragedy when we talk with a fireman and they say that they been implied no one and what they're

in amsterdam the dutch prime minister has also been expressing his condolences the u.k. where nine people it seems were on that flight nine u.k. citizens david cameron the prime minister there held a meeting with senior government officials to decide what the next step would be what they actually knew about what had happened and then the united kingdom went to the united nations and asked for a special set a special session of the security council now that session will take place in new york later on friday but what we are seeing though is as an outpouring of condolence and grief here in europe as all car is just about have said that they're going to try and employ all of ukrainian airspace. who are the european body that monitor traffic control and give guidelines and air traffic control of rule eastern ukraine though an absolute no go area until we find out anything more about what's happened with this terrible tragedy that touched lives across europe. u.s. intelligence officials are claiming the plane was downed bios surface to air missile but not specifically blamed

from amsterdam and of course this is where we seem to be talking about a whole lot of planes seem to be going missing in recent days in that particular in that particular area of southeastern ukraine but of course nothing up until now has been a plane with that many people that many civilians that actually belonged to a completely foreign different country so that the course is a tragedy that has been getting worse and worse with every second if you have. thanks for the very latest of english bringing some background information because in october two thousand and one i saw a big area launch passenger jets exploded over the black sea according to the aviation agency investigation on that occasion it was down by the dental launch of a surface to air missile from ukraine this was confirmed by russia the ukraine denying that it was firing any rockets at the time the plane was heading from tel aviv area to the russian city of nova. seventy eight people on board on that occasion. so let's just recap the information as we as we have it it is developing by every minute the very latest a mal

the plane was en route from amsterdam to kuala lumpur, malaysia. tomorrow, the u.n. security council will hold an emergency meeting on the attack, which threatens to escalate the crisis in ukraine. some cbs stations will be leaving us now for local programming, but for many of you this special expanded edition of the "cbs evening news" will continue in just a moment. ,,,,,, captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening. this is our special western edition. u.s. intelligence believes that a surface-to-air missile brought down a malaysian flight, flight 17, with 295 people on board the second disaster for the airline this year. flighted 370 is still missing presumably in the indian ocean. flight 17 was en route today from amsterdam no kuala lumpur when it crashed in eastern ukraine where pro-russian separatists are fighting the government. there were 298 people on board. 283 passengers and a crew of 15. there were no

as police in amsterdam. well relatives and friends would have gone to bed last night hoping that everything that took place yesterday was just a dreadful nightmare but holland has woken up this morning to nothing short of a national tragedy as you said the majority of the passengers on that flight were dutch nationals and that flight took off from here where i am in amsterdam people airport before it crashed in ukraine and the scenes we saw here yesterday absolute devastation of the devastated passengers relatives just trying to obtain information about what had happened to their loved ones and the grief and the shock of coming to terms with their losses it was just unbelievable we know that malaysian airlines have sent out i can't seem to amsterdam to help passengers cope with their losses but we also know that a number of the passengers were headed to melbourne for an international aid conference we've had the international aid society tweeting their condolences and that's sadness at the loss of friends an

there were children too there were bodies to see here and there now the plane on route from amsterdam to kuala lumpur was actually flying over the part of eastern ukraine where kiev officials are continuing their very heavy military crackdown against anti-government forces and the plane disappeared from radar shortly before entering russian space ukraine's president accused antigovernment fighters of downing the plane with a rocket calling it a terrorist attack but militia groups are saying they don't have that kind of access to weapons needed to do that kind of strike now the nationalities of the majority of people on board crashed a malaysian airliner have now been identified more than half of them one hundred fifty four what dutch another thirty eight victims were malaysian including the fifteen crewmembers also on the plane were nine britons four germans three filipinos and one canadian. some of the latest pictures coming from kuala lumpur as families have gathered in the country's main airport shortly after they found out exactly what happened and many became angry demanding to s

in amsterdam the dutch prime minister has also been expressing his condolences the u.k. where nine people were on that flight nine u.k. citizens david cameron the prime minister there held a meeting with senior government officials to decide what the next step would be and what they actually knew about what had happened and then the united kingdom went to the united nations and asked for a special set a special session of the security council now that session will take place in new york later on friday but what we are seeing though is as an outpouring of condolence and grief here in europe as all car is just about have said that they are going to try and employed all of ukrainian airspace. control who are the european body that monitor traffic control and give guidelines and air traffic control of rule eastern ukraine though an absolute no go area until we find out anything more about what's happened with this terrible tragedy that touched lives across europe thanks for joining us here on r.t. international today i'm wrong live in moscow a very short break we're back wit

it was many years ago flying from amsterdam into dubai.hat's a pretty normal route to fly, if you're trying to get from europe into asia. this is not an unusual route, but i think that since, as we've seen clearly with the u.s. airlines, since the hostilities, many airlines have decided that they're going to avoid the area if they can. clearly this will be one question, a very important question that is asked of malaysian authorities. there may not be an official restriction on flying over ukrainian airspace, but why were you doing that? >> and tom, a question about the investigation, and we're going to have some investigators able to talk to us here shortly. how long is it generally before we find out -- and i know this was a point of great contention after the last malaysia airlines incident -- before we generally know the transcript of air traffic when the last radio transmission was from this aircraft to euro control? >> well, you can imagine that the ukrainian air traffic controllers have probably already pulled the tapes and that the

the plane was en route from amsterdam to kuala lumpur, malaysia. tomorrow the u.n.cil will hold an emergency meeting on the attack which threatens to escalate the crisis in ukraine. some cbs stations will be leaving us now for local programming, but for many of you this expanded edition of the "cbs evening news" will continue in just a moment. this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening to those of you mo may just be joining us for this special one-hour edition. tonight u.s. military intelligence strongly suspects a surface-to-air missile brought down malaysia airlines flight 17 in ukraine today. the second disaster for this airline this year. flight 370 is still missing presumably somewhere in the indian ocean. flight 17 today was en route from amsterdam to kuala lumpur when it crashed in eastern ukraine where pro-russian rebels are fighting the government. there were 295 people on board 280 passengers and a crew

flight 17 took off from amsterdam just after noon local time. just over four hours into the flight to kuala lumpur, malaysia, cruising at 33,000 feet, it crosses ukraine nearing russia's border. that's when something goes terribly wrong. tonight the u.s. says it believes the plane was shot down by a single surface-to-air missile. >> shot down, not an accident. blown out of the sky. >> reporter: but it's unclear who fired or whether it was a mistake. the government of ukraine has been locked in a battle with pro-russian separatists who want to break parts of the country off to join russia. today ukraine accused those separatists of shooting the flight down over a rebel-controlled area. ukraine releasing what they say is an intercepted phone call proving it, saying that in the recordings, militants say they shot down the plane, later saying it was a passenger aircraft. ukraine's president saying it wasn't an accident or a disaster, but an act of terrorism. the pro-russian militants denied the charge, suggesting it may have been ukrainian forces be

had taken off from amsterdam. tell us what if anything, you're hearing from russian officials. >> i'm not yet in russia. i'm still in london. but, obviously, we're monitoring this very, very carefully. the -- it was the interfax news agency out of kiev, and it's important the initial -- to know that the initial information was coming exclusively from the ukrainian side. it said that the plane was shot down but it was given no further detail except the plane was flying at 10,000 feets. not low. 33,000 feet, which would require a very sophisticated misil sile take it out when it was hit. the russian air space was -- i should say it was flying through ukrainian air space. it was supposed to hit russian air space at a specific time. that alerted malaysian air to the fact that there was something wrong when it didn't hit at that specific time. i believe it was 17:25 and instead crashed inside of ukraine. now we know, of course, this is a very volatile part of ukraine. there's been cross-border violence between ukrainia

seventeen it took off from amsterdam's schiphol airport at ten fifteen g.m.t. heading for kuala lumpur it flew over the netherlands and then across germany and poland as well when it entered ukrainian airspace passing over volatile eastern ukraine the boeing seven seven seven was fifty kilometers from the russia ukraine border when it lost contact with air traffic control it crashed near the village of gravity. now the nationalities over the majority of people on board the crashed malaysian airliner have been identified. one hundred fifty four to be exact what dutch another thirty eight victims were malaysian including the fifteen crewmembers also on the plane were nine britons four germans three filipinos and one canadians so worst hit has been the netherlands which has lost over one hundred fifty of its citizens probably boyko reports from amsterdam schiphol airport where the relatives of the victims are now coming to terms with what happened. that malaysian airlines flight was twinned with. flag carrying airline k l m and the majority of the passengers as yo

and we begin with nbc's katy tur in amsterdam. katy, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian. more than 24 hours after the crash and the number of dutch on board continues to rise. so much so in fact that in terms of loss of life compared to population size this is now a tragedy for this country on a similar scale to 9/11. the numbers now stand at at least 189 dutch out of 298 on board. this is a nation in mourning. in one small community shock and disbelief. neil tatol and core shivler ran a flower shop here. they were headed for vacation. before takeoff they posted a picture of the plane on facebook saying, should it disappear, this is what it looks like. the couple's shop now a memorial. >> it's a young funny couple. always laughing and always together. >> reporter: neighbors mourned an entire family. one man telling us of a grieving grandmother of four who cried, i'm not a grandmother anymore. the victims were from around the world. quinn schansman was a u.s. citizen raised in the netherlands. his grandfather spoke abou

that shows the plane started in amsterdam. the green line going over into the ukrainian airspace, what we would think would be ukraine rain airspace. as jennifer griffin pointed out to us. this area along the border between ukraine and russia is a highly contested area with a lot of tensions. jennifer griffin is standing by still with us out of d.c. still continues to work sources over russia and news reports. what else do you have for us? >> reporter: we're hearing from an advisor to the ukrainian interior ministry is that the malaysian plane was allegedly brought down by a surface-to-air missile known as a buke missile. reports on the ground in a town in eastern ukraine said they reported seeing on thursday, a buke rocket launcher. this is highly sophisticated rocket launcher that allegedly came in from russia. it is being provided to ethnic russian separatists operating in that eastern ukraine city. a apreporter saw the rocket lawn cher and we also know that the malaysian plane was flying at 33,000 feet when it was brought

flight 17 took after from amsterdam just after noon local time. just over four hours into the flight to kuala lumpur, malaysia, cruising at 33,000 et cssesia'sns rr i la w aingle seho wanarrussia. phoneovaying thatn thecordinay aircraft.raine's president sayig wasn't an accident or disaster, t an actrrf is theroussian militants den the ar,sting itay ,ukraini forces e. donoefate on modoyir thceneed of will tveriathe a svetts theory at this point oeisr was operati that surface to air surface-to-air missile was aiming at a military aircraft and shot down the 777 instead, and david, tonight we are also learnghy we have whether or not there are any americans on board. there were apparently several names, according to a senior official, that looked american but they are double-checking and triple checking. >> being very careful. martha raddatz leading us off. thank you for your reporting ad. reke a the first reporters on the scene. it's the middle of the night, but tell us what you saw upon arriving. >> right now the wind is blowing pretty hard and kick

>> chuck henry reporting for us in amsterdam. thank you. appreciate it.ack, let me talk to you about what it means for international flights, restricted air space over conflict zones. malaysian airlines came out yesterday saying the path this plane originally was tracked for, this was a safe zone. there were no red flags raised because of the trajectory of this. >> except that the western airlines, particularly the united states, american airlines, the united states airlines, have not been flying over there. the faa sent out a warning this path, over this area, should not be used. and if you look at the map, you can see why this path was used. it is the most direct path from the netherlands to malaysia. and therefore, uses the least fuel and therefore is the cheapest. the thought probably also is that if the aircraft is flying above 32,000, 33,000 feet, it is outside the range of most of the -- of all of the handheld, shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, which have a slant range under ten miles and can't hit anything up at that level. and without even

military is battling against local self-defense units now apparently the aircraft was traveling from amsterdam and disappeared from radar sixty kilometers away from the russian border according to the manifest two hundred eighty passengers are on board fifteen crew members and very sadly we are getting information from ukraine's security services the presumption from them is that all of the people on board are dead we have had eyewitness reports again these are unconfirmed but they do seem to corroborate the information we're getting from of the sources eyewitness reports unverified saying that they have seen parts of the plane wreckage on the ground as well as bodies and malaysian airlines who originally claimed to have no information on any possible plane missing they have since sent out an official tweet confirming they had indeed lost contact with one of their planes in that region of east ukraine. are going to be speaking to one of our correspondents union an ill interest a mobile first of all let's go back to renegotiate because she's located by russia ukraine border and has been bringin

a plane is set to fly the bodies on to amsterdam. it could be another 16 hours before the train arrives. it's not clear what is causing the delay. but for now the train remains in rebel-held donetsk. >> the data and voice recorders are now in the hands of malaysian authorities. rebels turned them over in donetsk. a top splattist leaders said that the recorders will reveal the truth about what happened. >>> the death toll is rising. black smoke from a huge explosion filled the sky over gaza city. the gaza health ministry reports that 583 palestinians have been killed. >>> u.s. secretary of state john kerry is in cairo trying once again to broker a cease fire. he has been joined by u.n. secretary-general, ban ki-moon. he scheduled to meet with egyptian officials and move on from there. >>> now to more of our continuing coverage of the downing of mh17. monday saw what i guess you could describe as restrained outrage at the united nations security council meeting. >> council members are furious over the handling of the human remains and

this is amsterdam, schipol airport up in amsterdam. you're flying across clearly europe. this is where you're headed, kuala lumpur, right? pilots, captains of jets have the option to change their flight path for any reason they want. they are the captain of the ship. the decisions are theirs. the decisions are not made by air traffic control or anyone else much the captain makes the decision. so here's what happened. on the ground there in the east of ukraine and in the west of russia, there is a war going on because people on the ukraine side of the border have been shooting aircraft from the sky at altitude, meaning at 20, 30, thousand feet, sheeting them out of the sky and they're crashing. what happened today the captain got aboard, well the map has changed. the captain got aboard his jet with a flight plan that took him over the war zone where just yesterday a jet was shot from the sky and decided, i'll fly that way. the pilot decided he would fly over this war zone where just yesterday a plane just got shot out of the sky. and today it would appear he got shot out o

flight mh-17 operated on a boeing 777, departed amsterdam at 12:15 in the afternoon amsterdam local timerrive at koala lumpor the next day carrying 288 passengers 15 crew members onboard. from what we've gathered from various sources what was going on with this plane. we don't know why it went down. we have spoken with a reporter at jane's defense, an industry trade magazine dedicated to the defense industry, extremely well regarded. peter wellstead a guest we've had on cnbc before, deeply familiar with ukrainian military capability and russian military capability and remember, because aligned so long, it's similar capability. he says that it's highly unlikely a rebel force could have brought this plane down, because they don't necessarily have the capability to do so. it was flying at roughly 30,000 feet, we believe, that's quoting sources, who were on the ground there. he says it would take a surface-to-air missile system. the s-300, for example, frequently referred to as s.a.m.s., that russia and ukraine has. russia benighing they had anything to doing with this. one of the rebels, se

a malaysia airlines 777 wide body from amsterdam to kuala lumpur. u.s. intelligence has concluded it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. it came down in pieces without a distress call. the wreckage landed in the middle of a war zone. 298, the revised number of souls on board, all feared dead. it is almost too early to think about the international ramifications of this. hours after the crash came the news from gaza. israeli soldiers, ground troops, infantry, armored mechanized combat engineers, all on the move in a ground invasion in the gaza strip. we are going to stay on the air for an hour tonight. if your nbc station does not carry our second half hour, it will stream live on our website. with our team in place, we begin our coverage tonight with the downing of this commercial airliner. the second disaster for this airline and emerging human disaster, of course, for the loved ones of those on board. tom costello has been covering all day from our washington bureau. hey, tom, good evening. >> hi, tom. hi, brian. intelligence sources confirming

international it was a twelve fifteen pm local time the plane left amsterdam for kuala lumpur. then it was at four twenty one pm ukrainian time all radio and radar contact with the flight was lost and within the hour and forces arrived at the crash site now off to authorise sweep of the wreckage they found no survivors it was then by seven pm both kiev and the anti government troops had denied shooting down the plane and instead had actually pin the blame on each other three hours later the opposition said it had recovered the plane's flight recorders and would then hand them over for investigation leaving malaysian airlines now to notify hundreds of grief stricken relatives and international investigators haven't arrived at the crash site quite yet but ukrainian authorities and some western media have been very quick to cost the blame straight on and activists our correspondent marina portnoy are now taking us through some of the wild speculation in the media. a shocking tragedy claiming the lives of nearly three hundred victims before and investigation even begins the lack of

my uncle had brought them to the airport in amsterdam. and it was him that called me yesterday morning, absolutely distraught taking, have you seen the news that this plane has gone down? you know, your brother was on the plane. and i -- you know, i was in disbelief. i said, how do you know? are you sure? he said, absolutely, i dropped them off at the airport. i can see it's just crashed. that's how i found out. >> i know your family released a statement saying you're not seeking justice or retribution for the accident. that you aren't placing blame. can you explain why that was important for you to convey? >> well, yeah. we're -- our entire family, we're strong christians. our faith is very important to us. and part of that faith tradition says that we should forgive those that have wronged us. and in this case, you know, we know that there were some terrible things that were done. we don't know who was responsible. it's not important for us to -- to come after those people. if anything, we want to forgive them for some things they've do

amsterdam to kuala lumpur. there were 280 passengers on board, 15 crew members. no word on any survivors but the report coming from that area right now is that this malaysia airlines plane has crashed and burned into the ground. apparently a fire ball erupted in smoke and could be seen for miles. that's the latest from the live desk, barbara. >> thank you, richard. >>> today we're learning more deadly -- the same scientist who found smallpox samples discovered 300 vials of other contagious viruses and bacteria. they were in a box in a cold storage room. the fda used those samples back in the '70s and is now testing the vials. this week lawmakers are questioning lax practices that led to these new discoveries. >>> a d.c. man suspected in a string of bank robbery is in jail. maurice douglas is accused of robbing three banks in one day. police believe he is the guy in these surveillance photos from two wells fargo banks and a t.d. bank in the district back on june 20th. he's also accused of robbing a pnc bank a co

this is amsterdam, schipol airport up in amsterdam. you're flying across clearly europe.his is where you're headed, kuala lumpur, right? pilots, captains of jets have the option to change their flight path for any reason they want. they are the captain of the ship. the decisions are theirs. the decisions are not made by air traffic control or anyone else much the captain makes the decision. so here's what happened. on the ground there in the east of ukraine and in the west of russia, there is a war going on because people on the ukraine side of the border have been shooting aircraft from the sky at altitude, meaning at 20, 30, thousand feet, sheeting them out of the sky and they're crashing. what happened today the captain got aboard, well the map has changed. the captain got aboard his jet with a flight plan that took him over the war zone where just yesterday a jet was shot from the sky and decided, i'll fly that way. the pilot decided he would fly over this war zone where just yesterday a plane just got shot out of the sky. and today it would appear he got shot out of

to reports from amsterdam the majority of the passengers on that flight were dutch nationals and that flight took off from here where i am in amsterdam people airport before it crashed in ukraine and the scenes we saw here yesterday absolute devastation of the devastated passengers relatives just trying to obtain information about what had happened to their loved ones and the grief and the shock of coming to terms with their losses it was just unbelievable we know that malaysian airlines have sent out a care team here to amsterdam to help passengers cope with their losses but we also know that a number of the passengers were headed to melbourne for an international aid conference. the spanish correspondent francisco was at the scene of the crash earlier he sent this report. in these kilometers that he said is that you can see several pieces of the aircraft the antique here said that they don't have the capability to shoot an aircraft who is in a distance of ten thousand meters the. open an investigation it's a situation that is very important and important political connotations becau

this is a flight safe cruise altitude of 33,000 feet, marry on merrily on its way from amsterdam to kuala lumpur and it comes down. if it was a missile, the plane would have no chance. you have a fairly fragile vehicle up there in the sky, it is a safe plane, with a great track record but no match for a missile, loaded with fuel. you're only part way into this very long flight. the wings are heavy with fuel. if that missile, if it was a missile, if that punctured the fuselage or a wing that's pretty much it. it is not a lot that the pilot can do about that. the lack of any kind of notification from the cockpit suggests the pilots were surprised. one thing, scott that i'm a little worried about going foird here forward here is that people are going to try to draw some parallel between this incident involving a malaysian air 777 and the missing malaysian air 777 flight mh-370 still unaccounted for and still missing. i have to tell you there is nothing about either of these cases that matches up. and in neither case does it look to be an airplane problem. as i said earlier, while it is tough

. >> from amsterdam to kuala lumpur. we have with us on the phone roger barrier who joins us from the airport where mh17 took off. he lost a friend on that flight and he is about to board that flight this morning. it's good to have you with us, roger. we mourn with us the loss of your friend. what are you feeling now as you wait to board mh17? >> well, that's a good question. i'm a business anxious to actually board the flight. taking into account that my friend didn't make it back home. but this is a flight i've been taking for the past 23 years from malaysia so i guess and hoping lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place but it's still difficult to fly in this type of atmosphere. >> is this flight a full flight? i have to believe -- what are your conversations there in the airport as you're getting ready to board maybe with other passengers? >> i'm flying with my family so we were arranging the luggage and stuff like that so we didn't really get a chance to talk to many other people at the check-in. >> any hess

nearly a week after malaysia airlines flight 17 left amsterdam, some of the 298 people on board were flown back today in wooden caskets borne by military planes. it was a national day ofc mourning in the netherlands. two-thirds of the passengers killed when the pla shot down over ukraine were dutch. we have reports tonight from both countries. first elizabeth palmer in amsterdam. >> reporter: six days of confusion and indignity ended at last when two military transports, one dutch and one australian, brought the victims of the crash back to the netherlands. one by one the simple coffins were carried off the plane by dutch military personnel and loaded into waiting hearses. a procedure that went on for 90 minutes under the broilg broiling sun. flanking the airfield, the national flags of the dead flew at half-staff. dutch dignitaries looked on, and so did 1,000 family members out of sight for their privacy but their grief audible from behind a black screen. ( crying ) today's austere ceremony included no speeches. mh17 lies beyond words. this solemn motorcade will carry the crash vict

. >>> amsterdam remains a city in mourning.er the break, we'll bring you a live report from the place where malaysian airlines flight 17 began its fateful journey. >>> separatists in ukraine have handed over the black box recorders from malaysia airline flight 17. authorities took control of the devices at a meeting in donetk. it was filmed. there is the video. a top level leader says he believes the flight data recorders will reveal the truth and reiterated his claim that separate ists did not shoot dow the flight. let's get more from international correspondent ivan watson covering this from ukraine. the train, we were reporting at the top of this hour, ivan, the train had stopped. where is it, do we know, with the remains aboard? >> reporter: it appears there was mixed communication coming from the dutch foreign ministry, hala, where they had announced that the train had been delayed some 16 hours. and since then have corrected that statement. that has come from the ukrainian government, emergency ministry announced the trai

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and this evening thousands walked together through the streets of amsterdam, a silent tribute in a seawhite. the identification process will begin in earnest now. it could take days, it could take weeks, it could take months depending on the condition of those bodies. once they are positively identified, they'll be immediately returned to families, so, brian, funerals can finally begin. >> katy tur in amsterdam to start us off tonight where so many people came together today. katy, thanks. >>> a stark reminder tonight that eastern ukraine is still an active and dangerous war zone. there were two more ground-to-air missile attacks today. this time ukrainian military jets were the targets. we get the latest from nbc's keir simmons in donetsk, ukraine. >> reporter: a downed ukrainian fighter jet in flames today just miles from the wreckage of mh-17. in video unverified by nbc news, russian-backed separatists searched the debris. the ukrainian government says two of its jets were hit, targeted close to the town. we drove to the area this morning. we've just been stopped at a checkpoint out

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the plane was on its way from amsterdam to -- kuala lumpur but it fell 33,000 feet in the village inmiddle of the war zone and currently held by rebels. backed by russian weapons they have been battling ukraine government forces. the working theory is this tonight a rebel aim a missle at what he thought was a ukraine military aircraft but it turned out to be malaysia airlines flight 17. u.s. intelligence is still working to see who fired the missle, and whether it came from a russian or ukrainian side of the tense border. the crash today, dramatically escalates the conflict between ukraine and rebels. today vice-president joe biden alluded to the potential ramifications. >> this is important, it is important that we get to the bottom of this sooner than late later because the possible republican cushion that is can flow from this from the tragic loss of life. >> there are body and body parts all over the crash site. meanwhile race was on to find the black boxes which will contain essential information, about what exactly happened to the plane. the rebels claim they have already retri

of the passengers on that flight were nationals and that flight took off from here where i am in amsterdam people airport before it crashed in ukraine and the scenes we saw here yesterday absolute devastation of the devastated passengers relatives just trying to obtain information about what had happened to their loved ones and the grief and the shock of coming to terms with their losses it was just unbelievable we also know that a number of the passengers were headed to melbourne for an international aid conference with a sense of shock last night but this morning the country has woken up to the tragedy and the reality of that very high death toll from holland correspondent. francisco at the scene of the crash earlier you sent this report this morning. in these kilometers that is around is that you can see several pieces of the aircraft the antique here said that they don't have the capability to shoot an aircraft who is in a distance of ten thousand meters the government open an investigation it's a situation that is very important and has important political connotations because here in

been on route from amsterdam and disappeared from radar systems sixty kilometers from the russia ukraine border all two hundred ninety passengers in addition to the fifteen crew members at this point this is a must stress this is still to be verified they are presumed to be dead that is according to the information we're getting from ukraine security service in addition to unverified eyewitness reports on the ground a malaysian airlines at first they had no information on this but they have since in the last half hour confirmed in a tweet that they have indeed lost contact with flight m.h. seventy that it was indeed in that region. and that is the information as we have it. now i think that we can hear from an aviation expert this might be via a translation i believe we have a russian aviation expert on hand who's been able to give his take on this incident . ok i think we're just trying to get that sorted for you right we've lost we've lost that i'm afraid but we'll try and get you that expert on line to talk about a little bit more at the key the key point i think at this point is firs

in our reporting from amsterdam where the relatives of the victims were meeting in shock. that malaysian airlines flight was twinned with a flag carrying airline. and the majority of the passengers as you said were in fact dutch citizens one hundred fifty four passport holders twenty three malaysian citizens as well as passengers from australia and europe the scenes here on saddam's airport where that ill fated plane took off from were just of complete despair desperation from the families that we've seen them trying to get information about what took place and why it's hard to imagine what's going through their minds how they're feeling but of course it's such a sensitive situation that they are being here at the airport for some time whisked away by police to an undisclosed location on the other side of the airport but we were able to get that and see them gathering there again just completely sold lots of police guarding these people because they're obviously. just in complete and utter despair at the moment but the police keeping press i don't. we were told to move awa

around it simply horrific so many bodies he couldn't even count them the plane on the route from amsterdam to kuala lumpur was flying over the part of eastern ukraine where kiev continues its military crackdown against anti-government forces it was then that it disappeared from radar shortly before it was due to enter russian airspace the ukrainian president petro poroshenko quickly accusing antigovernment fighters of downing the plane with a rocket calling the incident a terrorist attack but militia groups deny all of this they say they don't have access to weapons capable of taking out a plane at the altitude that the aircraft was flying at a local activists say they have found the flight recorders amid the wreckage. the nationalities though over the majority of people on board the crushed malaysian airliner have now been identified more than half of them one hundred fifty four to be exact what dutch another thirty eight of the victims were malaysian including the fifteen crewmembers also on the plane nine britons four germans three filipinos and a canadian. let's give you some pictures

the jet had been on its way from amsterdam to call la lumpur. passenger plane was carrying 295 people when it was shot down over eastern ukraine. both the ukrainian government and the pro russia separatists are denying any responsibility. >> good evening i'm iain page. >> i'm lucy noland. here's what we know at this hour. the boeing 777 crashed near ukrainianville new jersey now controlled by prolusion separatists. journalists on scene described debris and bodies scattered for miles at this hour no sign of survivors. fox news reports a flight manifest lists at least 23 americans on board. tonight ukraine's president is calling this an act of terrori terrorism. fox 29's michelle macaluso now with the very latest. >> reporter: an air disaster today asthma lay is a airlines flight 17 goes down in eastern ukraine and u.s. government officials confirms it was brought down by a missile. >> it looks like it may ab terrible tragedy. >> during a phone call with rug president vladimir putin president obama learned about a malaysia airlines passenger jet c

flying amsterdam-kuala lumpur.e aircraft we're back here again. >> reporter: yes. i mean, this is the -- the boeing 777, until july of 2013, had no deaths related -- associated with it, and then last july you recall that crashed landing with the av jana flight in san francisco. then the missing flight, malaysian flight 370, and, again, we don't have any idea where that plane is. the best guess, based on the, those satellite handshakes for that flight is that it went down in the south indian ocean, but they still haven't found a single piece of wreckage. that flight bound for beijing. again, a 777. now a boeing 777, and it has gone down over the ukrainian border with russia. we believe it's a 777-200 er, extended range plane, meant nor, as the name suggests, very long flights from, for example, amsterdam to kuala lumpur or san francisco to beijing and one of the workhorses of the long-haul planes around the world and incredibly reliable. talk to most pilots, they will tell you that is their dream plane. a pilot's pl

the flight originated in amsterdam, as we all know now. and people there are leaving flowers and other mementos at the airport. erin mclaughlin is at schipol airport in amsterdam. she joins me now. the scale of thedisaster, if you are dutch, over half this flight dutch nationals, clearly, i imagine, a lot of grief there in amsterdam today. >> reporter: that's right, hala. the entire country mourning this loss. all morning, as early as 6 a.m., people have been coming here to schipol airport to lay flowers and sign a condolence book at a makeshift memorial just over that way. now, the flights are departing from this airport assist no nor. i just passed by the malaysian airlines check-in desk and there was a pretty long line there. as for the families of the victims, they're being taken care of at a hotel not far from here. the hotel has security here. officials very concerned about the privacy of those families, hala. >> what about the investigation? what about dutch authorities? i mean, i imagine they are as concerned as many people are aro

and the plane was said to be from amsterdam. we'll have more as more information is available. for now, thank you for watching aljazeera america. aim del walters in new york, and "inside story" is next. . >> they are the emerging world powers and they're combining their economic hats. the bricks alliance hopes to challenge the western dominated world bank and international monetary fund. it's the inside story. >> hello, i'm a he libby casey. brazil, russia, india and china and south africa today they make up a fifth of the world gdp, and they're working together. they're launching their own development and rainy day fund. it's a major shift in the western-led status quo. they say they'll be responsive to the needs of developing economies but can they overcome their stark differences to work together and what does it mean for the united states and their sometimes confine shoes relationships with thes contentious elationships with these nation nations. >> the historic dimension of our summit can be demonstrated by the importance of the agreements we sign. >> head quartered in sha

joining me now by phone from amsterdam is their uncle. thank you for being with us.not imagine what your family is going through. i know you were like a father figure to these boys. tell us about them. what were they like? >> thank you, anderson, for your wishes. i just -- almost choking up again, just watching that piece. well, they were great kids. my sister had been a single mom for the last four years. and instead of being challenging teenagers, they were very comforting to her. they were her pillars. she relied on them. they cooked for her. they helped with chores. shaka just finished the first year of college. he's studying engineering, textile engineering. miguel had just finished elementary school. and his dream was becoming a formula one race car driver, like a lot of boy's dreams. so he had just gotten a go-cart license and he was just so happy. but they were very joyful kids. although they've been living under challenging financial and emotional times the last four years, they were always in a good mood. >> it's just, i mean, it's impossible to even imagin

understand, malaysia, amsterdam, malaysia, london. they have taking the route many, many times. since it's an approved route, it is safe and that's the reason why we have used these routes. >> hi. from the guardian newspaper from the uk. can you confirm there wasn't a may day issued from the plane and if true, what does it mean about how the plane may have been shot down? from the cockpit first, which would indicate there was no warning? thank you. >> i don't have any information about this. >> yes. >> we done have any discussion from the cockpit. >> hold on, hold on, hold on. >> if you insist it's a safe route, you have been flying all these years, why is malaysia airlines saying they will take an alternate route. would you have taken it before? >> no. after this incident -- now they are taking another route. >> right now, you are still flying that route? >> no, it's closed. the route is closed. >> we'll go to the next question. yes, the gentleman to the right, please. >> actually, the captain has sent a message to someone before the attack. right now, can you confirm the fligh